It’s Porn Sunday!

This week they had Superporn Sunday, and now here’s a new one from Eastlake Church in Bothell, WA… they are hosting “the great porn debate” with porn industry legend Ron Jeremy and Pastor Craig Gross. One look at the debate website xxxdebate.com and you get the flavor if you will, of the event. The header on the website reads: “On March 5th, Ron Jeremy will be the biggest thing in Seattle.” -Thant’s great if you are in Junior High. The double entendres, are plentiful on the website, if you read Jeremy’s bio, it is filled with clever lines like: “He’s long since fulfilled his goal of appearing in 2000 porno flicks, and just keeps on plugging away.”

While I understand, Gross’s intention, (and I’ll be charitable with Eastlake and assume the same) is to expose the myth and dangers of pornography, I hardly agree with their methods or marketing strategies. Why would the church of Jesus host the likes of Ron Jeremy, let alone pay him? (admission is $5) Oh, and if you can’t make it to the debate, don’t worry, Ron will be there Sunday morning!  Wait! There’s also Porn In The Morn,  as well as Porn & Pastries for the “chicks.”

There are certainly no biblical precedents for these kinds of events, but then I’m not sure Eastlake is overly concerned about what is biblical. They are attractional, but in my opinion not biblical.

Other great events hosted by the church include the Seahawks game where they rolled in kegs of Red Hook beer, as well as a little fund-raiser they do called “Drinks for Drinks”… yeah that’s right, raise money for clean water missions by selling liquor. Twenty bucks gets you admission to the event as well as two drinks from the bar. Uhm yeah. Does Eastlake have a liquor license?
Drinks For Drinks was billed last August as “the biggest party of the Summer.”

Hey, Eastlake… here is a bible study for your marketing department:

3 But  immorality  or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among  saints; 4 and there must be no  filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which  are not fitting, but rather  giving of thanks. 5 For this you know with certainty, that  no  immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom  of Christ and God. 6  Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things  the wrath of God comes upon  the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not be  partakers with them; 8 for  you were formerly  darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as  children of Light 9 (for  the fruit of the Light consists in all  goodness and righteousness and truth), 10  trying to learn what is pleasing to the Lord.Eph 5:3-10 (NASB)

Here is what Greek scholar Kenneth Wuest says about the word translated as “course jesting”

“The sense of the word here is polished and witty speech as the instrument of sin; refinement and versatility without the flavor of Christian grace. ‘Sometimes it is lodged in a sly question, in a smart answer, in a quirkish reason, in shrewd intimation, in cunningly diverting or cleverly retorting an objection: sometimes it is couched in a bold scheme of speech, in a tart irony, in a lusty hyperbole, in a startling metaphor, in a plausible reconciling of contradictions, or in acute nonsense.” —Wuest’s Word Studies

 

Am I a prude? Is this the mission & method of the church of Jesus?

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17 thoughts on “It’s Porn Sunday!

  1. You’re not a prude. You like UFC. 😉
    I totally agree with you Jim.
    As the old saying goes…”what you win them with is what you win them to”.

    The shock value of what Eastlake is doing will wear off, and the multitudes will either go away or recycle through to another church.

    What a shame and pity…

  2. I don’t think a “porn debate” is needed…we know it is wrong, so what is there really to debate about? It’s not like Ron Jeremy is going to make us approve of it…if anything I could imagine him coming to the church to be a temptation for many.

  3. I had a conversation with the pastor over a year ago…

    Me: “why are you serving milk every week and not meat to your flock? Why aren’t you in your bible?”

    Him: “we won’t ever teach out of the bible like that. We won’t be getting that deep. If you want that go to Pastor Mark at Mars Hill.”

  4. From the site: “Is it degrading to women, or empowering?

    Is it addictive and destructive habit, or a window to a fun fantasy world?

    In this intelligent and multi-faceted debate, all aspects of the Pornography issue are discussed and examined. The debate usually lasts 90 minutes and is followed by a meet and greet with Ron and Craig”

    Those who know their Bible and have been fed on a steady diet of God’s word already know the answers to these questions. Yes we are to expose the unfruitful works of darkness but this unfruitful work has been exposed for many, many years. On top of that, the Holy Spirit bears witness within each believer how putrid and evil this all is (speaking of the industry and the sin). This is the fruit of a lack of teaching the scriptures. This is the fruit of a philosophical approach to God’s word. JB’s recollection of a conversation with this indivudual testifies to that. What is this going to accomplish outside of enticing men and women with their fleshly facination of the porn industry? We all like to be as close to sin as we possibly can and this is just an excuse for that.

      1. LOL…that wasn’t the reason for posting. I did it because 1) I’ve seen the devistation sexual sin can cause and 2) my last post on your site was too playful and you deserved something more of substance.

        give the itunes to Bill. I don’t know him, but he’s been in the trenches longer than I have and based on that alone. he deserves it :())

  5. Since when is dealing with sin accomplished by talking about the sin? Jesus is the only answer for this and every other sin. When we sing “Jesus, Jesus, Jesus,…” what are we left thinking about?

  6. So instead of arguing if his event is fruitful or not, why don’t we focus on what we can learn from this for the future. I don’t like church bashing. Especially on a pastors blog. Es

  7. As a side note, I had heard about this Drinks for Drinks thing that Eastlake held this summer, when a good friend of mine that I grew up with (but have since grown apart, just due to getting older, moving away, etc) was tagged in some photos on FB under an album called “Charity:Water”. It was apparent that most of the people around her in the photos were, well… very intoxicated. I was wondering at the time if this was some type of concert or something (from the way the photos looked) and it did in NO WAY look like a church or “christian” event. Women wearing some pretty provocative tops while holding their big cups o liquor… and later I come to find out that these pics were taken AT this church during this “event”. I, was pretty appalled. I have read about these porn debates before with Ron Jeremy about them being held in different colleges around the country. But to give him a platform from the pulpit to talk about how it is harmless and healthy and normal… that is just wrong. I agree with what Scott Hunter said on the FB link earlier about how the church in general needs to be bringing the PORN issue to light alot more than it does. I 1000% percent agree. I just think the way Eastlake is going about it has potential to be stumbling to men and women who are looking for more reason to not stop, by listening to someone who is famous and going to tickle their ears with lies from Satan.
    My 2 cents. 🙂

  8. The marketing just makes my skin crawl, really. While I haven’t read much about these events that have been held, I do question the value of a ‘debate’ with a porn star. I think most people view porn as sin or at least a ‘guilty pleasure’. When network t.v. shows two men in a sex scene you can assume that while knowing it’s wrong, like stealing, there is a growing acceptance, or at least resignation to it. Do I think the church needs to address this issue? You bet. My pastor husband counsels a ton of guys ensared by this, and more and more women are clearly involved and affected by it. We talk about the believer fed on the meat of the word, but between the new believer and the transfer growth we’re getting from other ‘attractional’ churches, I’m finding more and more people needing answers and instruction. I get wanting to show we’re not your grandpa’s church to get them to attend, but I wonder what the unbeliever thinks of a crass and trashy church? I wonder if it appears hypocritical to them? If you don’t give them transformational truth, they leave no better than when they came in. Again, I don’t know the content of these events, but I find the marketing embarassing.

    1. Maryanne, Yeah, I think Eastlake’s and Gross’s intention is good,… expose the dangers, confront culture etc. But the way that it is presented in the marketing is in my opinion sinful. To use those cutesy sexual innuendos is just wrong. More and more, I’m wondering if there was really anything wrong with “grandpa’s church” 🙂
      -thanks

  9. would you rather people go to the clubs and drink or in a safe environment and drink? would you rather people discuss porn and learn about the dangers or look at porn in secrecy and have their relationships destroyed? would you rather have an empty church on suberbowl sunday or a church event to celebrate together? if following God is your lifestyle than watching the superbowl, discussing porn, and having one night a year for drinking isnt anything worth raising an eyebrow over.

    1. Victor, (respectfully) the church should not be a safe environment for dissipation. I’m all for discussing the dangers of pornia, the scriptures address it very clearly. You and I obviously have a very different view of the Christian faith and the role of church. Following God necessitates that all else, especially entertainment, is a far distant priority.
      When the church modifies its meetings to cater to professional sports, I think we have things a bit messed up. Jesus did not give His life so that we could party.

      1. no but we have to go out an reach the masses. we cant sit on our holy chair like the pharasees and expect them to come to us. someones first experience in a church will be at a superbowl party. someones second experience will be the following sunday.

  10. Such credible evidence — one guy’s memory of a conversation he thinks he had with the pastor? Someone’s second hand opinion of intoxication based on FB photos a friend was tagged in?

    I was at each of the events mentioned – and am humored to see the legend of the “inappropriateness” grow like a childish game of telephone operator.

    I think someone forgot to mention that over $350K was raised in one night for clean water, zero incidents of drunkenness, and it was a concert.

    I think someone forgot to mention there were also an additional 3 services on SuperBowl Sunday that had nothing to do with the game. How many services should one have before it is considered “spiritual?”.

    I think someone forgot to mention that the Porn Event offered hope and practical help for OUTSIDERS IN THE COMMUNITY – who might otherwise never have heard Biblical truth.

    Just thought I’d chime in with 1st hand observations…

  11. To be clear, ALL the money raised that evening from ticket prices (for the debate) went to Eastlake’s partners to help stop child sex trafficking. Eastlake frequently uses all the proceeds of an event to send directly and entirely to charities. The church runs almost entirely off of unpaid volunteers so that they are able to give so much to charity. Any funding for this event would come from church fund which comes from church members who CHOOSE to tithe and typically support Eastlake’s mission….if a church member doesn’t agree with their mission then it’s time to stop tithing there and find another church, which of course a person absolutely should do if they don’t agree with the direction their church is going.

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